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Rebel73
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 04:33 PM (Msg. 1 of 25)
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Hey guys,
my 93 Intruder 800 is bone stock in the performance department. I'm looking to add a little more "oomph" to it. Nothing too crazy, but I just want a little more pull when riding 2-up with my girl.
Suggestions? Where should I start?
~Rob
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 08:30 PM (Msg. 2 of 25)
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Sell your 800 and buy a 1400
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denali_41
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 08:43 PM (Msg. 3 of 25)
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uncork\rejet ,,that is about the limits of what you can do,,
800 is already dangnear fast as a 1400
and it will eat a harley 1200 like a snack 
click here for the technical data page
http://www.intruderalert.com/cafe/index.cfm?page=topic&topicID=161769
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 08:46 PM (Msg. 4 of 25)
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Quote:denali_41 wrote:
uncork\rejet ,,that is about the limits of what you can do,,
What, exactly does "uncork" mean?
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denali_41
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 08:56 PM (Msg. 5 of 25)
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Quote:KRACKER wrote:
What, exactly does "uncork" mean?
uncork means to let the engine"breath" better.
change stock air filters over to pods,,usually K&N and whatever type of straight shot pipes
if ya do those mods then you will have to rejet the carbs
click here for the technical data page
http://www.intruderalert.com/cafe/index.cfm?page=topic&topicID=161769
good parts fiche site
http://www.boulevardsuzuki.com/fiche_select.asp?srt=cat
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KRACKER
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Posted: Feb 2, 2011 08:58 PM (Msg. 6 of 25)
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Thanks
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High Desert Intruder
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 11:07 AM (Msg. 7 of 25)
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Quote:denali_41 wrote:
uncork means to let the engine"breath" better.
change stock air filters over to pods,,usually K&N and whatever type of straight shot pipes
if ya do those mods then you will have to rejet the carbs
Yup just basically opening it up......Although fuel mileage can suffer, but if your looking for power above all else then I guess that's not a big issue.
If the bike is suppose to be used for cruising two up then it sounds like he doesn't want a FULLY opened up intake/exhaust. When I did mine I first went with pod filters and large jets. Yeah I got a lot more power, but I also lost TOO much fuel mileage.
Currently I am running a set of the K&N OEM replacement filters and a pretty well tuned stage 1 jetting that gives me more power, but not at the cost of my fuel mileage.
Rebel73 I would suggest getting a Factory Pro jet kit, but I'm not sure if you can now. Your profile shows you as being in Los Angeles and from what I understand Factory Pro no longer sells their jet kits in the state of California (I guess the EPA or someone got down on them pretty hard). You can call them and see cause if they do sell here you'll tell them your an IA member to get the 15% IA discount.
The main thing your looking for is the needles. They give you 5 clip settings so that you can change the needle level as it sits in the emulsion tube. If you do decide to do this let me know as I am pretty close to you. I have the tools to do this and am setup to sync the carbs as well when the job's done.
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Krash
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 12:21 PM (Msg. 8 of 25)
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yup, EPA has these things corked up pretty good.
They can make modest improvements in HP and Torque onced 'uncorked'.
the 800 is pretty darn quick stock.
are you looking for more low/mid power or topend?
there's a way to use the 1400 rear wheel and driveshaft on the 800 to get taller gearing for more top end.
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High Desert Intruder
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 12:59 PM (Msg. 9 of 25)
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Quote:Krash wrote:
there's a way to use the 1400 rear wheel and driveshaft on the 800 to get taller gearing for more top end.
Actually you just have to change the drive shaft and final drive if I remember correctly. If you where to change the rear wheel on a 1400 you'd have to also change the full rear braking system.
I'm pretty sure it was Relax that posted the info for using the 1400 final on the 800. I know there where others using an LC final as well. The mounting holes on the swing-arm mount point I believe need to be elongated as well when doing this.
It will give him more top end, but I think he will lose a little of the low end....of course if the bulk of his riding is on the slab then the change would be much more of an advantage
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Rebel73
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 09:36 PM (Msg. 10 of 25)
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Thanks for you replies, guys.
I guess I'm just looking for a little more pull on the top end. Off the line is pretty good already. I'm not looking to be a speed demon, so I don't need a 1400.
I woulda bought a crotch rocket if that were the case.
I guess I'm looking for the equivalent first few mods to what someone does to their car:
Intake, Exhaust, tune (rejet) ?
What kind of results are people getting from drilling the bafflles? Saw a nice write-up on it on the net.
Anyone have a good link to where I can find a jet kit for this bike? I think I can get around the California thing  Edited by Rebel73 on Feb 3, 2011 at 09:45 PM
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Rebel73
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 09:50 PM (Msg. 11 of 25)
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High Desert Intruder,
that sounds like a good option! I'll let you know if I decide to go that route, which I probably will. Sounds like your setup is just what I'm looking for - a little more power without a big sacrifice in mileage. Let's face it, in this economy and today's gas prices, that's important!
I'll definitely hit you up when I'm ready! Thanks!
How about this kit?
http://www.westendmotorsports.com/dynojet-vs800-intruder-9203-stage-p-1288.htmlEdited by Rebel73 on Feb 3, 2011 at 10:48 PM
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Rebel73
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 09:51 PM (Msg. 12 of 25)
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Quote:Lechy wrote:
Sell your 800 and buy a 1400
I was hoping for some "constructive" advice.
Thanks anyway.
~Rob
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High Desert Intruder
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Posted: Feb 3, 2011 11:49 PM (Msg. 13 of 25)
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I stay away from the Dynojet kits....they usually require you to drill the carb. I refuse to take a drill to a carb that would cost as much as these do if I should make a mistake.
You can order the Factory Pro kit's for your bike, but I believe you just can't buy them through Factory Pro......you can get them directly from Cruiser Magic you just won't get the IA discount.
You could also call them and see if you could order telling them your an IA member and all and that someone on the site told you to call them. It's up to them to decide if they do or do not want to sell the kit to you.....but just don't make mention that you already know about the statement on their site.
This is the link to the vs800 kits
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 09:13 AM (Msg. 14 of 25)
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Quote:Rebel73 wrote:
I was hoping for some "constructive" advice.
Thanks anyway.
I'm sorry that you found my reply less than constructive.
I ride a 750 and for 1 up she is a blast, off the line she will take any 1400 for a few yards then the superior torque of the big beast will take over. Trying to do the same riding 2 up, I don't gotta chance. Depends what you want out of your machine, round town solo fun or long haul confidence. The 750's 800's will do the long haul but not as well as a 1400.
Horses for courses, chose your horse to suit your course.
All said and done I wouldn't swap my little "girly bike" for anything.
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 09:19 AM (Msg. 15 of 25)
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You could always drop this in it!
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High Desert Intruder
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 09:58 AM (Msg. 16 of 25)
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Rebel73
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 11:20 AM (Msg. 17 of 25)
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Quote:Lechy wrote:
I'm sorry that you found my reply less than constructive.
I ride a 750 and for 1 up she is a blast, off the line she will take any 1400 for a few yards then the superior torque of the big beast will take over. Trying to do the same riding 2 up, I don't gotta chance. Depends what you want out of your machine, round town solo fun or long haul confidence. The 750's 800's will do the long haul but not as well as a 1400.
Horses for courses, chose your horse to suit your course.
All said and done I wouldn't swap my little "girly bike" for anything.
No worries. It's just that I just bought this VS800 that fit my budget and going to a 1400 is just not an option for me right now. I'm quite happy with my 800. Just want to tweak it slightly.
~Rob
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Rebel73
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 11:50 AM (Msg. 18 of 25)
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Do I need to rejet with the K & N drop in filters? Or could I just drop in the filters and rejet later?
Would it run too lean?
So I guess I'm looking at the following mods
1) Factory Pro STD drop-in carb recal kit
2) K & N OEM replacement filters
3) exhaust or baffle drilling (?)
~Rob
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Rebel73
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 11:51 AM (Msg. 19 of 25)
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he he,
tempting, but swapping a motor with 16K on it for one with 60K?
I dunno.
~Rob
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Posted: Feb 4, 2011 12:51 PM (Msg. 20 of 25)
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Quote:Rebel73 wrote:
Do I need to rejet with the K & N drop in filters? Or could I just drop in the filters and rejet later?
The motors are a balancing act. As a general rule of thumb if you change the amount of air flowing through the motor you need to add more fuel to the mix for it to run correctly. I would suggest to save up and do the whole thing at the same time..... air in (air filter), rejet carbs, air out (exhaust mods/replace).
You will be much happier with a correctly running machine. It will have more power and chances are it will get better fuel mileage thus creating a pay back period albeit a long one....
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