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Posted: Apr 29, 2003 02:54 AM  (Msg. 1 of 113)         

So many of us ask once and while about jet sizes and needle position etc. I'm planning to establish a database about rejetting ( only for VS1400,sorry) Please help me and send following information: - Year ( for example 1993 ) - Country of operating ( ex. Canada ) - Intake modification ( ex. K&N / Orig. with silencers removed) - Exhaust modification ( ex. Jardine etc. are baffles on/off ? - Main Jet front / back - Pilot Jet front / back - Pilot Screw turns front / back - Jet needles position from TOP, front/back, make of needles ( Stock/Factory/Dynojet) - Other info WBR, Tero


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Posted: Apr 29, 2003 03:11 AM  (Msg. 2 of 113)         

-1995 4 spd -USA -K&N (what in the hell are silencers on the carburators?) -CM2 Nasty Twins -145F -155R -stock pilots front and back -screws set at best idle -Needles(factory Pro) 4th from the top on front and 3rd from top on rear (plastic spacers left intact)



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Posted: Apr 29, 2003 04:57 AM  (Msg. 3 of 113)         

Hello! - 1993 US Model - Finland - K&N - "Marco Mod" Mufflers - 150f / 160r main jets - stock pilot jets - 2.75f / 2.5r pilot screw turns - Dynojet needles, position 3.5 f / 4r - original needle jets O-9 f / P-2 r The dynojet needles are for european models, which have bigger needle jets. Just finished uncorking a couple of weeks ago and the bike runs great (also the sound is great, a bit loud maybe :smile; ), only problem is sometimes stalling when coming to a stop or traffic lights, on the other way the bike seems to be a bit on the lean side at 1/4 - 1/2 throttle. I think I'm going to change the needle jets for european sizes, if that would help. The information found at this site has been great! Thanks for everyone! -Antti


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Posted: Apr 29, 2003 01:46 PM  (Msg. 4 of 113)         

Be careful in following someone elses settings and thinking your will run perfect...it will be close, but there is always variables to consider. Also make sure you understand the 3 circuits in each carb and how they affect performance. *Idle Circuit is your bike running with no throttle, at idle. Mainly uses the Fuel Screws, but is affected by the Pilot Jets to a degree. *Pilot Circuit is anything from when you start to twist your throttle to the WOT(Wide Open Throttle) position. This is affected greatly by your Pilot Jets and Needles. Contrary to some opinions it is also affect to some degree by your Fuel Screws Settings and your Main Jets. Main Circuit is basically your WOT or about 3/4 throttle on up. This circuit mainly uses the Mains to work from, but is affected by all the other settings to a minor degree. Alot of bikes will be running lean on their needles and will be compensated for by more fuel from the Fuel Screws being open further. This will cause a rich condition at idle and affect your throttle rersponse at the first 1/4 of your throttle. Most will not notice it or be use to it and it doesn't bother them, but performance will be down a bit and depending on your riding rich idle circuit will lower mileage for the in town rider. Maybe your Mains are too big.....top end will be a bit sluggish and again mileage at higher speeds will be down...who cares right?! Mains too small will cause a lean condition and depending on how lean can increase to end performance to a degree, but since you don't ride WOT all the time it should not over heat your bike...too much. Needles running lean can cause engine damamge and a problem with over heating in hot climates (engine popping, burping and maybe dying) Too lean will affect your mileage adversely just the same as too rich. Better to run a smidgen rich for longevity of your scoot. The list goes on, but all-in-all remember to write all previous settings down, make an adjustment to one circuit at a time to see it's affects and keep a log. When in doubt run a tad rich it's safer. Alway's feel free to run your settings and problems and solutions by someone on this board that has ran with their settings for a long period of time and understands why it is set the way it is. Your bike, altitude, temperature that day, fuel, country, etc all have major factors in getting your bike set-up properly. When she's running good she's a beautiful thing! :wink;


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Posted: Apr 29, 2003 01:56 PM  (Msg. 5 of 113)         

-1991 4 spd -USA -Emgo Filter pods on two rear carbs with extended intake manifolds -Stock Headers with slip-on fishtails and JC Whitney mini baffles installed -140F -165R -#55 front and #60 rear -Air/Fuel Screws at 1.5 turns out on both -Stock needles with a shim and a half under each This set-up is still a little rough right off idle but really hauls at anything above 1/2 throttle. I'll post an update when I get it dialed in a little better.


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Posted: Apr 29, 2003 02:19 PM  (Msg. 6 of 113)         

My current setup (which seems to be working well)

1995
-U.S.A.
-K&N RC-1820 Air filters, front box removed, rear modified.
-Cruiser Magic 2 Drag Slip-ons
-Main jet 147.5 Front / 155 rear
-Stock pilot jets
-(Pilot screws adjust for best idle quality--didn't count 'em)
-Factory Pro needles 4th groove front / 3rd groove rear


Stock plastic spacers removed.  Currently running a larger diameter washer under the clip and a smaller one above....Seems to work.  

Edited by kpreis on Mar 30, 2005 at 08:41 AM


As promised.....

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Posted: Apr 29, 2003 02:41 PM  (Msg. 7 of 113)         

-1988 4 spd -USA -K&N with airboxes removed -Jardine Drag Pipes -145F -155R -52.5 front and 57.5 rear -screws set 2 3/4 front and 2 1/4 rear -CM2 needles 4th from the top on front and rear (plastic spacers removed) -28,000 miles - replaced needle jets and idle screws. Added Dyna-Tek igniters and spark plug wires. Jardine forward controls and Cobra seat.


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Posted: Apr 29, 2003 07:43 PM  (Msg. 8 of 113)         

SurlyBoy, you can't shim 1400 needles. The needle is restricted by the plate on top and shims won't help. You have to let the top of the needle come thru the metal plate to get a richer mixture. My 1400 with Factory Pro Stage 3 Kit 155 front/165 rear mains 52.5 front/57.5 rear pilot jets 2 1/2 turns front and 1 3/4 turns rear on mix screws 4th notch on both needles with plastic spacer in K+N 1820 air filters Vance and Hines slip on pipes NGK 7 plugs Elevation approx 1800' 40 to 45 mpg


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Posted: Apr 29, 2003 09:44 PM  (Msg. 9 of 113)         

i have exactly what TAXI has except the front pilot jet is 55 instead of 52.5. i like this set up better than the 155-165 with stock pilots combo. i found it to be better on low-mid range torque wise. by the way i smoked my friend today with his new fatboy with wide open pipes K&Ns, screaming eagle module and coil and S&S carbs, what a pleasure. i tired of playing around with jets and this settings are final. i think now i have to clean my K&Ns and im good for the summer. LAN dont be jelous he can do 40-45 and you cant because you know and i know you have a twisty wrist :biggrin;


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Posted: Apr 30, 2003 04:21 AM  (Msg. 10 of 113)         

1989 Canada K&N 1820's (chrome top - [u]I[/u] know they're chrome) haha CM2 - Nasty Twins - baffles in 147.5/157.5 52.5 front pilot jet/55 rear pilot jet 2 1/2 turns out front/ 2 turns out rear 3rd notch [u]from[/u] top on front needle 4th notch [u]from[/u] top on rear needle Factory Pro jet kit, filters were found at speed shop. I find that with this set-up the bike grunts and growls like a beast and makes it VERY difficult to ride for good gas mileage... :wink; nonetheless I can hit 42MPG on the highway if I'm sane (good days-rare).


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Posted: Apr 30, 2003 06:45 AM  (Msg. 11 of 113)         

- Year 1993 - Country of operating Denmark - Intake modification K/N RU 0820 - Exhaust modification SUperTrapp VA 2-2 performance - Main Jet 145-155 - Pilot Jet front / back : standard - Pilot Screw turns 2 / 2 3/4 - Jet needles position from TOP, 2/2, Dynojet - Other info


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Posted: Apr 30, 2003 05:59 PM  (Msg. 12 of 113)         

1990 vs 1400 cm2 jet and filter kit front jet 155 rear jet 160(155 was largest jet in cm2 kit) needles 1 notch above cm2 recommendations. single skinned ss front pipes larger bore than std. jardine slipons(no packing and the disc removed from innermost end of baffle tube) mixture 2 1/4 fr 2 rear. 1994 vs 1400 cm2 jet filter kit 160 fr 165 rear(rear drilled out using weber jet drill bit) needles k&n set 1 notch down. throttle shafts machined to 1/2 original diameter. slides drilled heads received mild clean up porting. 2" single skinned ss drag pipes(our own) 30hp wizards of nos nitrous system. progressive adjustable nitrous controller.(set to provide full power over a 2 second period) msd 6t ignition unit msd ignition retard unit. hipo fuel pump for nitrous circuit only. low fuel pressure gas cut off switch


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Posted: May 1, 2003 06:08 PM  (Msg. 13 of 113)         

- 2002 - USA, KS - K&N SU-1487 - Air boxes - stock - V&H slip ons - 130/145 - 52.5/57.5 - 2/1.75 - 3/3/factory Sounds and runs great ---------------------------------------------------------- 2004 update after dyno run: same setting as above with a single 1" hole added to each airbox


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Posted: May 3, 2003 03:24 PM  (Msg. 14 of 113)         

1996 VS1400 California, USA K&N pods Cobra? pipes, Tork Tubes @ head, Thumb screws (in baffle set screw hole) instead of baffles Mains 145F, 155R (CM2 kit) Pilots stock Pilot screw 2 1/4 F, 2 R Jet needle 4F, ?R Frustrtating saga: Bought bike with pipes and re-jetted ... bluing, but ran OK with flat spots (by golly these bikes are sooo forgiving). Bought Dyna ignition, (set @#3 advance), and jet kit, pods, etc., from CM2 (also nicer shocks). Had installed by great Harley wrench, who blushingly commented on how well it pulled. Much better performance, but still didn't feel right for this engine design and poor mileage. Couldn't change to CM2 pipes since no original head pipes (maybe will buy from Denmark?).Bought Dial-a-jets, downsized mains to 130,145 (not good ... reasonably smooth, but no better mileage. Dyno'd with air / fuel .... whoa ... super rich (10+:1) until mains kick in ... then super lean (to 17:1) at WOT to redline (didn't I tell you this is a forgiving bike ... mind you, I don't ride very far in this condition). Can you believe that I didn't fine tune the pilot screw! Today, put in Tork Tubes, swapped back to 145 / 155 mains, left dial-a-jet, warmed it up, and adjusted pilot screws ... could kick myself. Am waiting for it to clear up so I can make the trek to the nearest dyno shop to balance. What would I do without Intruder Alert to give me ideas about what others (more experienced) are doing?


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Posted: Jun 7, 2003 07:43 PM  (Msg. 15 of 113)         

[QUOTE]Posted by: taxi Posted on: Apr 29, 2003 7:43:PM SurlyBoy, you can't shim 1400 needles. The needle is restricted by the plate on top and shims won't help. You have to let the top of the needle come thru the metal plate to get a richer mixture. [/QUOTE] Taxi, I put washers under the head of the needle (one is half the thickness of the other, hence the 1.5 shims) and then put the top plate on. The plate doesn't screw down as much as it did before and so the needle is effectively raised. I measured the difference before and after I added the shims and the needles are now shorter from the bottom of the diaphram by the thickness of the shims. Therefore, they be shimmed. That said, my frankenstein intake mods still run like sh1t so I may remove the shims and lower the mains. My problem is that the rear jug is fouling but the front is nice and tan. I'm baffled (no pun intended) because I made the adjustments relative to the stock settings, there is still at 15 point difference between the rear and front main jet, and 5 points between the pilots. At stock settings the bike wouldn't run at all unless the choke was fully on. I decided to go over rich and work my way back because it's safer than the other way around.


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Posted: Jun 8, 2003 08:21 AM  (Msg. 16 of 113)         

It's amazing what you see when you write it down. I just realized that I have a 25 point difference between the rear and front main jets as opposed to the stock difference of 15. That explains why my rear jug is fouling and the front looks OK. I think I'll drop the rear to 155 and leave the front at 140. I'll also pull out the shims and try and get it to run cleanly through the rev range by just playing with the mains and mixture screws. I can shim the needles to fill in any flat spots once I get it in the range.


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Posted: Jun 8, 2003 10:12 AM  (Msg. 17 of 113)         

2000, VS1400 Intruder~
Florida, USA~
UP-4200 POD Uni-filters installed, both plastic elbows removed, stock air boxes left in place~ Rear air box cover, filter and plastic coupler holder removed~ UP-123 crankcase Uni-filter breather installed~ Vance & Hines Classic II slip-on pipes with the fiberglass packing removed and baffles reinstalled~
Stock Main Jets 125 front and 140 rear~
Stock pilot jets front and rear~
Pilot screws set for best idle~
Needles (Cobra) made by Dynojet 3rd groove from top front and rear~ Both slide holes drilled to Dynojet specs~
Fuel mileage 39 city and 43 highway. Probably could get better MPG if I stayed out of the throtttle. Dyna 3000 igniter installed rev limit set at 6,500 rpm ignition advance curve #3. Power improvement from idle all the way to top end. 4 mpg improvement in gas mileage. Higher octane gas with this set-up is mandatory.   

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Posted: Jun 8, 2003 11:37 AM  (Msg. 18 of 113)         

I am running the following: 2000 1400 CM2 regular pipes no change to baffles K&N Pod filters with air deflector installed for the front. Jet kit from CM2 Main Jet 145F/155R Pilot Jet: 52.5F/57.5R Needle height: Groove #3 on both F & R White spacer on top of the e-clip. Float height: No change Pilot screw: 2 turns out F/ I did vary from CM'2s instructions with the pilot jets, therefore I was running to rich on the 4th groove as their directions state. I needed to synich the carbs to get it to run good <>. He checked the exhaust with a sniffer to see if I was rich or lean and it seems to be good. I live in Northwest Iowa. I ride half the time on one tire!!!!! :biggrin;


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Posted: Jun 9, 2003 10:29 AM  (Msg. 19 of 113)         

1998
USA - Wisconsin

K&N's (from CM2 - don't know part #)
  front airbox removed/rear has top and front and right side cut off

CM2 pipes, with baffles - no fiberglass

152.5 front/162.5 rear - main jets

52.5 front/57.5 rear  - pilot jets

1.5 turns front/1.75 turns rear

Factory Pro Needles with stock plactic washers

2nd notch from top front/3rd notch from top rear

Plugs - DPR7's gapped at .035

Been getting 44 mpg highway, 38 city driving
Edited by Gordon on Apr 28, 2005 at 07:04 AM


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Posted: Jun 9, 2003 12:19 PM  (Msg. 20 of 113)         

- 1992
- The Netherlands
- Power filters from Highway Hawk
- SUPERTRAPP(they really rule!!)
- Main Jet 160 / 160
- Pilot Jets stock
- Pilot Screw turns 2,75f / 1,25 r
- Jet needles 4rd f and 3nd r, Dynojet
- Dyna coils with silicon wires and NGK plugcaps

The Supertrapp has _NO_ endcap and the sound is DEVASTATING!

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